Stalinists & Trotskyists: What's the Difference?
“I was at the march (and took the photos in this article), but I don't believe James was. I'm not a Stalinist. I'm a Trotskyist, and was in a tiny minority at the march.” - Jack
- Jack, you're a Trotskyist?
If Trotsky had gained as much
power as Stalin, he would have become like Stalin. Had Stalin ended
up like Trotskyist, he might have ended up like Trotsky.
The differences between Trotskyism
and Stalinism only matter to Stalinists and Trotskyists. To everyone
else, they are irrelevant and pedantic differences. Trotsky himself
murder up to 100,000 anarchists and socialists (the wrong kind) -
and that was within just a couple of years of the Bolshevik coup.
- The SWP (Trotskyists) hate communists (the CPGB) and vice versa. Why? Because they are fighting over the same political bones. They are rival gangs. Hell, even Trotskyist groups save their deepest hate for rival Trotskyist groups. It's all about power.
Almost every week, the CPGB
features a critical article about the SWP. It works the other way
too; though the SWP tends not to mention names.
Gary Hastings of EDL News: Commie or Trot? Who cares!
“Part of the reason why it is so dominated by tankies is that the organising committee (who I believe are made up of CPGB-ML and TUC bureaucrats) insist on having it on the 1st of May no matter what weekday it falls on, which means it's usually a weekday when most workers can't make it. if it was held on the weekend you'd have a much more representative (and much bigger) march full of ordinary trade unionists.” - Jack
- You too appear to fusing
what you call "workers" with the trade unionist elite and
trade unionists generally. Perhaps you have a problem only with “TUC
bureaucrats” because they are affiliated with the CPGB and other
communists and not with, say, the SWP.
- That's not a surprise:
historically all Trotskyist middle-class "vanguards"
(elites) always saw themselves as the working class (just as
Hitler “embodied the German nation and race”).
- That is, middle-class Trotskyist vanguards anointed themselves as “the consciousness of the working class". The workers, of course, had "false consciousness". Why? Because they weren't Trotskyists/Marxists.
Was Stalin on Our Side During World War Two?
was on Stalin's side wasn't he? Did you notice we were allied with
the Soviets during WW2? I think there's probably a history book
about it somewhere. What's your point?" - PeteCW
Stalin didn't fight for us in WW2,
He didn't even fight "on our side". He fought to protect
his own Communist Imperialist Empire and his own power - nothing
more and nothing less. Hell, he even signed a non-aggression pact
with Hitler which lasted until 1941.
Before that, communists in Germany
and beyond believed in the "first
black, then red" formula . (Communists also directly
cooperated with Nazis in strikes and suchlike.) That is, communists believed that the Nazis
must first gain power (in Germany) and make the situation so bad
that the communists could then take over (to create a regime as bad
as Hitler's). Stalin was largely responsible for that position;
though Trotskyists and other Leftists accepted it too.
"Don't be fooled by the Socialist
in National Socialist Party. After all, the word Party in National
Socialist Party doesn't mean that they attacked Poland with balloons
and streamers or murdered Jews with little sausages on sticks and
What makes you believe that
'genuine' (non-Nazi) socialist/communist parties only "attacked"
states, or institutions or groups, with "balloons and
streamers"? Socialists and communists in the 20th century were
as violent and oppressive as the Nazis. I think you are mistaking
socialists/communists for pacifists or hippies. That's a very silly
It's called realpolitik, Peter.
“Didn't they believe and say that communism and bolshevism were a Jewish plot to to take over the world? Now - did the Nazis admire or despise the Jews? Have a little think about it. (The answer might be on the internet somewhere if you're having trouble).” - Pete CW
- Pete, your logic is staggeringly
poor. How does the fact that Hitler and the Nazis hated the Jews
automatically stop them from being socialists?
Some of the best Jew-haters have
been socialists and communists: from Marx himself all the way to
Norman Finkelstein today.
Have you ever read Marx's own
diatribes against the Jews? In fact he hated the Jews for some of the same
reasosn that the Nazis - some 70 years later! - hated them: he fused
capitalism and the Jews together in his mind. Contemporary Leftists
still do that. That's why they focus obsessively on Israel - because
it is a "capitalist democracy", not only because of
the Palestinians etc.
Nazis and communists/socialists
fuse on the Jews, as well as on their hatred of what they both sneeringly call
"capitalist democracy". Both pretend that it's the capitalist part of the capitalist-democracy equation that they have a problem with; whereas in fact it is democracy in any form they despise? Why? Because any form of democracy simply cannot guarantee them what they want: the total (Leftist/Nazi) power to bring about total (Leftist/Nazi) change.